Great Pantyhose Debate Revisited

list2016_final_kindleI looked at my stats. Thank you all who have visited and especially those who have signed up for my blog posts by email and my newsletter. You inspire me to write! Something else my stats told me is that every single day someone comes to check out my post The Great Pantyhose Debate.  Yes, every day, and some days, like yesterday, a whopping six people visited the post. Really? I don’t know what draws everyone, but once reading, I trust the story gives as much laughter as me and my sisters-in-law still get out of it.  Yes, such family interchanges are where my stories come from. Have a chuckle with us…

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The Great Pantyhose Debate, or whhyy would you do that?

Do you wear your pantyhose with panties under them, or without?

This question came up on a visit to my dear mother-in-law. She and I were talking about how different things are now than when each of us was young. My mother-in-law is seventy-nine, so obviously a lot more has transpired for her than I, but one memory we each share is the advent of pantyhose.

My mother-in-law said, “You know what I like best about pantyhose? You don’t have to wear any panties with ‘em. I mean, the panties are built right in.”

I agreed in a more or less automatic nodding fashion. I was reclining on the couch, my mind drifting into the past, remembering far back to the an early age and girdles and those things, whatever they were called, to which we attached hose. My mother-in-law brought me out of this reverie by speaking ardently.

“You know, one time I was ridin’ over to church with Doris and Delphia, and I mentioned how the best thing about pantyhose is not havin’ to wear panties under them. And that Delphia said, ‘You don’t wear panties? I do.’ She said it like that and looked at me like I was nuts. I said, ‘Well, Nooo! Why would they call ‘em pantyhose, if you were supposed to wear panties with them?’”

In order to get the complete flavor of the conversation, you need to know that my mother-in-law is a true matriarch of the family. A woman of faith and good sense, she has been the guide for the family for many years. Since the birth of great-grandchildren, she goes by the title of Big Mama, not for physical size but for spirit size. She is a woman of strong convictions, who doesn’t hesitate to share them, with no apologies, and generally in a voice that no one has a hard time hearing.

Big Mama continued, “I asked Doris, who was drivin’, ‘Do you wear panties under your pantyhose?’ And she kinda gives me the eye, you know, like this, and says, ‘Well…yeah.’ I couldn’t believe it! Who would wear panties under their pantyhose? Do you wear panties under your pantyhose?”

“No, I don’t.” I said quickly. I wasn’t lying. I don’t. But you know, if I did, I might have said that I didn’t.

“I know Doris wears those cotton panties,” said Big Mama. “Lord, they’d be uncomfortable under pantyhose…all bunched up. I told them, ‘Wwhyy would you want to wear panties under pantyhose? They have that cotton insert. That’s why they call ‘em pantyhose. And you can’t see anything under them.’” They said they didn’t know. They just did. I just can’t imagine. Don’t you think most wear them without?”

I said that I thought most people didn’t wear panties. Although, then I started to wonder.

“Well, I just don’t know Whhyy anyone would wear panties under pantyhose. That is why they are called pantyhose. Now you just tell me why anyone would do that?”

I said I just didn’t know.

Shortly, my sister-in-law, Carolyn, arrived. I felt the need to ask her if she wore panties under her pantyhose. I couldn’t help it.

“Yes, I do,” she said, nodding calmly, as if asked this question every single day of her life.

“You wear panties under your pantyhose?” Big Mama said, and in a way that I would have corrected myself, if I had been Carolyn.

“Yes, I do, Mom,” said Carolyn, still smooth as silk.

Whhyy would you do that? They are panty-hose! The panty is built right in. That’s why they are called pantyhose. You’re not supposed to wear panties with them.”

“I just do.”

“Well, I don’t know why anyone would do that.” She puzzled this over, aloud, for a few more minutes.

When my youngest sister-in-law, Sharon, and her grown daughter, Tanya, arrived, I eagerly put the question to them.

“Well, yeah, I do,” Sharon said, and giving a puzzled laugh.

Again Big Mama was aghast. I was surprised. I was beginning to wonder about me and her.

“We’re loose women,” I said, and Big Mama instantly repeated her strong views about the panty being sewn into the hose, and no one was supposed to wear panties with them.

Tanya explained that she never wore pantyhose anymore, but, “Big Mama, when I was little and you made me wear them to church, you made me put panties on under them.”

“Those weren’t pantyhose…they were tights. You’re supposed to wear panties under tights. You are not supposed to wear panties under pantyhose. I don’t know why anyone would. Whhyy would anyone do that?” she asked all of us, with an expression of disgust.

“You made me wear them.” Tanya injected.

The age old question of what might happen if you’re out and get in a wreck was brought up. Carolyn asked me what I would do if all I had on was pantyhose and no panties. I answered that I had never thought about it. But I began to feel a little anxious about the prospect. Big Mama maintained her position that pantyhose was the same as panties and should not be worn with panties, and put forth that not having panties on would make things easier, should one be injured and have to jerk the pantyhose off.

I grabbed a tablet and began a count. We currently stood at two Without and five With.

“I’m goin’ to call my mother.” I grabbed my cell phone.

My mother had not worn pantyhose on a regular basis for well over twenty years, since she retired from waitressing, however, when she had worn them, she had worn panties, most definitely. I got the impression wearing pantyhose without panties had never occurred to her, ever.

Big Mama took this in. “Well, I just can’t imagine why anyone would wear panties under pantyhose. Whhyy would anyone do that? You just tell me,” she demanded of each of us, not that any answers changed her mind.

She then picked up the phone and called her pastor’s wife. We all listened, and watched Big Mama’s face. Her voice dropped, “Oh…you do. Well, we were all just talkin’…Thank you.” She hung up quickly, momentarily deflated.

I decided to call a friend, who was born and raised half a continent away, and could definitely give an outside opinion. I was certain we would finally get someone on mine and Big Mama’s team.

“Yes, I wear panties,” my friend said.

“Oh,” I said.

I returned to the living room and was met with Big Mama getting out of her chair and looking at me with bated breath. “What did she say?”

“Another with.”

Big Mama stared at me.

“Oh,” she said, defeat shrinking her shoulders.

The next day when we dressed for church, I still didn’t put on panties under my pantyhose, and neither did Big Mama. Now, though, I was a little concerned of what might happen should we get in a wreck.

“I’m drivin’ real careful,” I told Big Mama. “I sure don’t want to get in a wreck and us get caught without panties.”

To which Big Mama said, “Well, I just can’t figure out whhhyyy anyone would want to wear panties. You’re not supposed to. That’s why they call them pantyhose.”

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Just to give you a report— we didn’t dare ask anyone at church that Sunday, but my sisters-in-law and I continued the poll for some weeks. It was interesting. We polled young and older. Age seemed not to matter. We ended up with a piddling 4 Without panties, and a whopping 24 With.

In the twenty-four With category are two people who sometimes wear panties underneath their pantyhose and pull on another pair on top of the pantyhose. I guess we can call these Double With.

Whhyy would they do that?” we all ask.

One of those polled reported: “Well, I wear panties under my pantyhose, unless I’m out with my husband, and then I don’t.” We are not going to ask further.

Please feel free to comment with your preference, should you feel bold enough to do so. Big Mama sure would.

31 thoughts on “Great Pantyhose Debate Revisited

  1. i;m glad i no longer have to wear pantyhose, but they were wonderful when they came out. No more garter belts. At first I wore panties under them. Then I realized that they stayed up much better if they didn’t have slick panties under them.

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  2. I haven’t worn pantyhose in years. But when I did, I wore underwear with them. I do not miss the struggle to get them on! Thank god for jeans, pants and leggings!


  3. Maybe unrelated but im a 36 yr old man, started wearing my mothers pantyhose around 8 or 9. I love it! Wear everyday and when I wear panties its over my hose.
    After I being recently divorced my mom said I could stay with her.
    I have been seen/caught wearing pantyhose so many times hasn’t fased me in years.
    Mom is in her 70’s still mentally sharp.
    So, refusing to stop wearing my pantyhose I’ve kept it low key. Mom goes to bed early so off come the pants and im on the couch watching tv wearing only hose.
    About 2 weeks ago, there I am on the couch in all my glory when my mom comes out of her bedroom. I dont have anything to cover up with. She goes to the kitchen
    Comes back then starts up a conversation. Well we talk for several minutes then she went back to her room, nothing said about my pantyhose. Her vision is good, plenty of light. So I wondered why nothing was said.
    So I decided to make sure it wasn’t just a fluke but I already knew she seen everything.
    Next day I hung around the house, pantyhose under my jeans, feet on the foot rest, tan reinforced toe hose.
    Nothing said. This continues, now its just as if its my place too.
    Last night I went to the kitchen wearing only tan pantyhose, still nothing said.
    So what is this the mothers love?

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    • I don’t know what part of the country you come from, but what springs to my mind are two old-South sayings: “Had nothing to say to it,” which is said when there is a situation that is beyond a person’s understanding. I said this just the other day to ineptitude at the doctor’s office. Another way this is said is, “I had no words.” Then there is a favorite saying of my mother, an old South dear, “To each his own.” This is always said with a shrug, meaning doesn’t matter, not my business.

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  4. I wore them “with” in my younger days, but as I aged I started going “without.” I haven’t worn pantyhose in years, however — in fact, for the past 10 years or so, I’ve even gone without panties under everything! I’m post-menopause, my juices have dried up, and I find panties uncomfortable, so I do fine without them. Shocking revelation, eh?

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  5. I’m a with. I had asked you several years to print this again. i was going to take my own survey and never did. I will do it this time. Thanks for the laughs.
    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours. Love you…

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  6. Hi Curtiss Ann,

    Ok. I’m 48. I worked in an office when dress was formal. We didn’t even have casual Fridays. Pantyhose, if see-through, were worn with panties. Why? If the wind blew your skirt up, a flash of your ass was enough to get you a whole bunch of trouble from the men you worked with. If they were Underalls, with a fully opaque?, non-see-through panty, no panties needed.

    These were the wondrous days before sexual harassment suits. I was actually let go from a position for telling a director if he grabbed my ass 1 more time I would break said hand with my stapler. The women I worked with did the same. There were 8 of us in the pool.

    Happy Holidays!


    Sent from Gwen’s iPhone


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    • Gwen, great story material there! When I was but a teen and knew nothing of sexual harassment, I worked in a jewelry store. The boss often found a way to have his hands on me and not until years later did I know what was going on. Shake my head at it now. 🙃


  7. Really enjoyed the pantyhose story!! I can relate! I am with you and Big Mama. I nursed for forty years and wore white ones….no panties underneath. Why would you??? Merry Christmas!!

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